From jhuizingh at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 15:12:01 2011 From: jhuizingh at gmail.com (Jonathan Huizingh) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 09:12:01 -0500 Subject: [winswitch] Applet startup error Message-ID: I just found out about Winswitch yesterday, and it looks like an awesome program that will accomplish what I need. I downloaded and installed Winswitch using the instructions for Ubuntu/Debian Lucid Lynx. It reports an error when it tries to start the applet. Attached is a file that has the output of winswitch_applet when I run it from the command line. I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64 bit. Can somebody take a look? Anything else I can do to help with more info? 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[DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 NotificationUtil.notify(,Window Switch is starting up,Creating a new system configuration, this may take a few seconds.,5,None,information) pynotify=, icon_name=information, PREFER_PYNOTIFY=True, platform=linux2 [DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 NotificationUtil.py_notify(,Window Switch is starting up,Creating a new system configuration, this may take a few seconds.,5,None,) [II] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 WinSwitchApplet.attention(Window Switch is starting up,None) [DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 WinSwitchApplet.attention_appindicator(Window Switch is starting up,5) [EE] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 applet.main(['/usr/bin/winswitch_applet']) caught exception, closing applet [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 Traceback (most recent call last): [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/winswitch/client/applet.py", line 2142, in main winswitch.run() [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/winswitch/client/applet.py", line 189, in run ClientBase.run(self, False) [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/winswitch/client/client_base.py", line 143, in run self.load_settings() # load settings from disk (or use defaults) [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/winswitch/client/client_base.py", line 260, in load_settings self.notify("%s is starting up" % APPLICATION_NAME, warning, type=NOTIFY_INFO) [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/winswitch/client/applet.py", line 1229, in notify self.attention(title, delay) [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/winswitch/client/applet.py", line 1240, in attention method(message, delay) [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/winswitch/client/applet.py", line 433, in attention_appindicator self.tray_widget.set_label(message) [ee] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 AttributeError: 'appindicator.Indicator' object has no attribute 'set_label' [DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 WinSwitchApplet.do_cleanup() applet [DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 WinSwitchApplet.do_cleanup() applet calling do_cleanup on ClientBase [II] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 WinSwitchApplet.do_cleanup() [II] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 WinSwitchApplet.do_detach_all_servers() servers=[] [DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 WinSwitchApplet.do_cleanup() tray_widget.cleanup=None [II] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 applet.main() exit code=1, waiting for all other threads to exit - this may take a few seconds [DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 process_util.dump_threads() current_thread=<_MainThread(MainThread, started 139804071536384)> [DD] 2011/01/06 08:43:16 process_util.dump_threads() total number of threads=1 From antoine at nagafix.co.uk Wed Jun 1 20:06:21 2011 From: antoine at nagafix.co.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 02:06:21 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] Applet startup error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE68DAD.9050206@nagafix.co.uk> On 06/01/2011 09:12 PM, Jonathan Huizingh wrote: > I just found out about Winswitch yesterday, and it looks like an awesome > program that will accomplish what I need. > > I downloaded and installed Winswitch using the instructions for > Ubuntu/Debian Lucid Lynx. It reports an error when it tries to start the > applet. Attached is a file that has the output of winswitch_applet when I > run it from the command line. > > I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64 bit. > > Can somebody take a look? Anything else I can do to help with more info? Ubuntu keep changing their API, so when I fixed the tray icon for natty, this broke lucid... Sorry about that. I have just committed a fix for this: http://winswitch.org/trac/changeset/4025 And since this is likely to affect a large number of ubuntu users, I'll push some new packages out shortly after another round of testing. Cheers Antoine > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > > > _______________________________________________ > shifter-users mailing list > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users From antoine at nagafix.co.uk Thu Jun 2 19:54:36 2011 From: antoine at nagafix.co.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:54:36 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] Applet startup error In-Reply-To: <4DE68DAD.9050206@nagafix.co.uk> References: <4DE68DAD.9050206@nagafix.co.uk> Message-ID: <4DE7DC6C.2000304@nagafix.co.uk> There are now some beta packages fixing this issue: http://winswitch.org/beta/ Antoine On 06/02/2011 02:06 AM, Antoine Martin wrote: > On 06/01/2011 09:12 PM, Jonathan Huizingh wrote: >> I just found out about Winswitch yesterday, and it looks like an awesome >> program that will accomplish what I need. >> >> I downloaded and installed Winswitch using the instructions for >> Ubuntu/Debian Lucid Lynx. It reports an error when it tries to start the >> applet. Attached is a file that has the output of winswitch_applet when I >> run it from the command line. >> >> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64 bit. >> >> Can somebody take a look? Anything else I can do to help with more info? > Ubuntu keep changing their API, so when I fixed the tray icon for natty, > this broke lucid... Sorry about that. > I have just committed a fix for this: > http://winswitch.org/trac/changeset/4025 > > And since this is likely to affect a large number of ubuntu users, I'll > push some new packages out shortly after another round of testing. > > Cheers > Antoine > >> >> Thanks, >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> shifter-users mailing list >> shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk >> http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users > > _______________________________________________ > shifter-users mailing list > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users From antoine at nagafix.co.uk Fri Jun 3 12:27:37 2011 From: antoine at nagafix.co.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:27:37 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] Applet startup error In-Reply-To: <4DE7DC6C.2000304@nagafix.co.uk> References: <4DE68DAD.9050206@nagafix.co.uk> <4DE7DC6C.2000304@nagafix.co.uk> Message-ID: <4DE8C529.7020907@nagafix.co.uk> I have now pushed some of the changes for Ubuntu Lucid users only. Others have reported that despite the fix for Ubuntu's poorly documented API breakage (..), the 'appindicator' may also be unusable in some cases: the tray icon simply does not show up at all. If that is the case, please try running the applet from the command line with: winswitch_applet --debug-mode --prefer-gtk-tray This change can be made permanent in your .winswitch/client/client.conf by setting: prefer_gtk_tray=True If that helps, or even if it does not, please let me know so I can try to find what needs to be done to work reliably on all versions of Ubuntu. Obviously, I have no such problems on the test environment :( Thanks Antoine On 06/03/2011 01:54 AM, Antoine Martin wrote: > There are now some beta packages fixing this issue: > http://winswitch.org/beta/ > > Antoine > > On 06/02/2011 02:06 AM, Antoine Martin wrote: >> On 06/01/2011 09:12 PM, Jonathan Huizingh wrote: >>> I just found out about Winswitch yesterday, and it looks like an awesome >>> program that will accomplish what I need. >>> >>> I downloaded and installed Winswitch using the instructions for >>> Ubuntu/Debian Lucid Lynx. It reports an error when it tries to start the >>> applet. Attached is a file that has the output of winswitch_applet when I >>> run it from the command line. >>> >>> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64 bit. >>> >>> Can somebody take a look? Anything else I can do to help with more info? >> Ubuntu keep changing their API, so when I fixed the tray icon for natty, >> this broke lucid... Sorry about that. >> I have just committed a fix for this: >> http://winswitch.org/trac/changeset/4025 >> >> And since this is likely to affect a large number of ubuntu users, I'll >> push some new packages out shortly after another round of testing. >> >> Cheers >> Antoine >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jonathan >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> shifter-users mailing list >>> shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk >>> http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> shifter-users mailing list >> shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk >> http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users > From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Mon Jun 13 11:58:53 2011 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:58:53 +0300 Subject: [winswitch] [Parti-discuss] WinSwitch install instruction errata for debian based systems Message-ID: <84boy2atg2.fsf@sauna.l.org> David Godfrey wrote: > A good reason to use sudo in this case is the wget command. > While the "|apt-key add" needs to be run as root, I don't believe that > any command that retrieves information from a webpage or similar should > EVER be run as root. > Not that I know of any exploits in wget, but the potential is there, and > it could be disastrous. If there's a bug in wget that allows arbitrary code execution then I think both 1) sudo sh -c 'wget -O - http://example.com/ | sudo apt-key -' and 2) wget -O - http://example.com/ | sudo apt-key add - are for practical purposes equally vulnerable. Even though wget is not running as root it can easily trojan your user account so that the next sudo invocation will install the real rootkit. All else being equal, version 1) is nicer from documentation point of view since the full URL will be in sudo logs. From antoine at nagafix.co.uk Thu Jun 16 00:43:03 2011 From: antoine at nagafix.co.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:43:03 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] [ANNOUNCE] version 0.12.3 - more bugfixes Message-ID: <4DF94387.80800@nagafix.co.uk> Hi, Version 0.12.3 is now available: http://winswitch.org/downloads/ This version contains yet another large number of bugfixes for all platforms. The highlights are: leaks have been found and plugged, it should now be much more stable and reliable than previous releases. For details, please see the full release notes below. Cheers Antoine RELEASE_NOTES: *********************************************************************** Major bug fixes: * mDNS readers are now removed correctly (was causing segfaults on exit) * exit cleanly on all platforms, freeing resources and waiting if needed * VNC full desktop sessions can be started more than once (oops) * fix segfaults in the X11 session detection code * fix file descriptor leaks in X11 code and screen capture * support many more KDE applications using the "--nofork" parameter * the OSX build was missing GStreamer plugins (for sound and video copy) * avoid sending really big icon files! (above 128KB) Small bug fixes and improvements: * detect blocked/unavailable SSH port and warn user * choose tray icon colour based on platform (or gtk theme) if possible, so the applet is now more visible (can be changed in options if needed) * xpra jpeg should be enabled for multimedia apps even if dialog is not shown * OSX: migrate all code from igemacintegration to gtk_osxapplication Cleanups and minor items: * make the protocol client classes more re-usable * split version_update check to its own class * default menu size is small on win32 (prevents menu overflowing the screen) * split tray icon support to platform classes, code is now re-usable *********************************************************************** From troycauble at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 13:16:58 2011 From: troycauble at gmail.com (Troy Cauble) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:16:58 -0400 Subject: [winswitch] trying to register with trac Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to register with trac and submit a couple of bugs reports, but it won't send me a verification email. (Same email I'm using with this list.) tlc From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk Wed Jun 22 11:37:48 2011 From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:37:48 +0100 Subject: [winswitch] Single-clicking requires double-clicking on Kubuntu 11.04 Message-ID: <178093A4-6378-42EF-844D-C4E0ADEB15C9@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> Hi there, I've installed Kubuntu 11.04 64-bit (in a VM, but I don't think that has anything to do with it) and I was wondering if anyone else has seen this behaviour. The problem is that any windows managed by WinSwitch require double-clicking just to single-click. Initially it appeared that, although my previously open sessions had resumed and the windows from them were displayed, the windows were unresponsive. It was only after I started clicking repeatedly in frustration that I (eventually) realised what was going on. The problem applies to selecting items in lists (say files in the Deluge bittorrent app), to checkboxes and to buttons - I have to double-click the list items to select them, I have to double-click checkboxes to tick or untick them, I have to double-click buttons before they'll respond. I have to double-click on links in Firefox in order to follow them. I don't have any problem with normal non-WinSwitch applications on this system, nor if I open a terminal and do `ssh -Y remotehost firefox` - I can single-click links and it works just like normal. On the Kubuntu desktop system the version of kdebase-bin is 4.6.2-0ubuntu1 and of kde-window-manager is 4.6.2a-0ubuntu5.1. That's from running Ubuntu's GUI software updater last night. After doing that I installed WinSwitch as described on the WinSwitch website [1], so WinSwitch on the desktop is version 0.12.3. On the two machines I'm connecting to, one is 0.12.0 and the other 0.12.1. The other thing that slightly bothers me is that when I click on the WinSwitch icon in the system tray I have to hold down the mouse button until I'm halfway down the menu, otherwise the menu disappears. I don't know if this is normal or perhaps (another?) KDE problem? Thanks in advance for any help, Stroller. [1] http://winswitch.org/downloads/debian-repository.html?dist_select=natty From jonathan at huizingh.info Fri Jun 3 18:22:07 2011 From: jonathan at huizingh.info (Jonathan Huizingh) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:22:07 -0000 Subject: [winswitch] Applet startup error In-Reply-To: <4DE8C529.7020907@nagafix.co.uk> References: <4DE68DAD.9050206@nagafix.co.uk> <4DE7DC6C.2000304@nagafix.co.uk> <4DE8C529.7020907@nagafix.co.uk> Message-ID: I have installed the beta version (12). Is that what you wanted? When I started Window Switch from the menu, the applet now shows up and I am able to connect from another system. I look forward to playing around with it when I have some more time. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. Thanks, Jonathan On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Antoine Martin wrote: > I have now pushed some of the changes for Ubuntu Lucid users only. > > Others have reported that despite the fix for Ubuntu's poorly documented > API breakage (..), the 'appindicator' may also be unusable in some > cases: the tray icon simply does not show up at all. > > If that is the case, please try running the applet from the command line > with: > winswitch_applet --debug-mode --prefer-gtk-tray > This change can be made permanent in your .winswitch/client/client.conf > by setting: > prefer_gtk_tray=True > > If that helps, or even if it does not, please let me know so I can try > to find what needs to be done to work reliably on all versions of > Ubuntu. Obviously, I have no such problems on the test environment :( > > Thanks > Antoine > > > > > On 06/03/2011 01:54 AM, Antoine Martin wrote: >> There are now some beta packages fixing this issue: >> http://winswitch.org/beta/ >> >> Antoine >> >> On 06/02/2011 02:06 AM, Antoine Martin wrote: >>> On 06/01/2011 09:12 PM, Jonathan Huizingh wrote: >>>> I just found out about Winswitch yesterday, and it looks like an awesome >>>> program that will accomplish what I need. >>>> >>>> I downloaded and installed Winswitch using the instructions for >>>> Ubuntu/Debian Lucid Lynx. ?It reports an error when it tries to start the >>>> applet. ?Attached is a file that has the output of winswitch_applet when I >>>> run it from the command line. >>>> >>>> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64 bit. >>>> >>>> Can somebody take a look? ?Anything else I can do to help with more info? >>> Ubuntu keep changing their API, so when I fixed the tray icon for natty, >>> this broke lucid... Sorry about that. >>> I have just committed a fix for this: >>> http://winswitch.org/trac/changeset/4025 >>> >>> And since this is likely to affect a large number of ubuntu users, I'll >>> push some new packages out shortly after another round of testing. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Antoine >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> shifter-users mailing list >>>> shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk >>>> http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> shifter-users mailing list >>> shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk >>> http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > shifter-users mailing list > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > http://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users >