From luca.manganelli at comune.trento.it Mon Aug 3 07:02:19 2020 From: luca.manganelli at comune.trento.it (Luca Manganelli) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 08:02:19 +0200 Subject: [winswitch] "Run command" windows is always hidden Message-ID: If you go to xpra tray menu, then do "Server" -> "Run command", the window is always on bottom, behind any open window. It should be always on top. This happens on Ubuntu 18.04. From antoine at nagafix.co.uk Mon Aug 3 10:18:03 2020 From: antoine at nagafix.co.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 16:18:03 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] "Run command" windows is always hidden In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/08/2020 13:02, Luca Manganelli via shifter-users wrote: > If you go to xpra tray menu, then do "Server" -> "Run command", the window > is always on bottom, behind any open window. > It should be always on top. > This happens on Ubuntu 18.04. This does happen on most operating systems, though not all. Which windows get moved to the top of the stack when they appear is a matter of policy for the client OS or window manager. xpra forwards windows and their attributes, it generally avoids interfering. Even if we wanted to overrule the OS and force the window to the top of the stack, deciding which windows this should apply to and for how long would be tricky to implement reliably. There is no way to guarantee that we can identify which windows belong to which application, let alone correlate them with the "Run command" dialog. Feel free to create a ticket if you feel strongly about this. Cheers, Antoine From antoine at devloop.org.uk Sat Aug 8 07:53:53 2020 From: antoine at devloop.org.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:53:53 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] [ANNOUNCE] Xpra 4.0.3: many issues, one critical Message-ID: <0b29aee8-adf4-cd38-48f1-8a3ebd0f9f44@devloop.org.uk> Hi, This update contains all the fixes that had accumulated since 4.0.2 was released 2 months ago. The only real critical issue is a server crash due to a use-after-free bug in the scrolling detection code. With older versions, this crash can be prevented using the environment variable: XPRA_SCROLL_ENCODING=0 The other fixes are all over the codebase, with many platform-specific fixes, systray, window geometry, cosmetic, packaging, etc.. Updating is recommended. Cheers, Antoine Release notes: * fix server crash caused by use after free in scrolling code * fix encryption option overzealously enforced on all socket types * fix network layer compression errors that cause connections to drop * fix printing errors with some shell character encodings * fix NVENC h264 stream compatibility with HTML5 client * fix windows not getting focused when clicking on title bar (HTML5) * fix suspend / resume errors with tray windows * fix garbled terminal when ssh messages and 'top' client conflict * fix OpenGL "force" enable option not honoured * fix tray geometry errors * fix missing tray with Ubuntu Gnome * fix socket setup error handler * fix minimum video scaling not being honoured via heuristics * fix error in main thread verifier (fortunately, never fired) * fix archlinux build root stripping * fix detection of named-pipe creation errors * fix MS Windows shadow server errors with 'bind=auto' * fix MS Windows Keymap_info.exe tool * fix MS Windows servers slow to handle connections with mDNS enabled * fix MacOS clipboard unnecessarily sending data * fix clipboard data sometimes going missing when ownership changes * fix memory contents of the swscale pixel format object * fix csc_swscale converter getting recycled every time * fix division by zero errors during window cleanup * fix rfb connections missing all screen updates * fix RPM spec file for CentOS 8 * fix toolbox examples when running under wayland * fix 'xpra toolbox' subcommand on MacOS * fix MacOS errors with some subcommands (ie: 'list') * fix MacOS outdated system version requirements in hidden sub-app * fix sshfp support on MacOS (was missing dns python module) * fix notification widget wrongly stealing input focus * fix support for building with CUDA 11.0 * fix unshrinkable session-info window * fix window resizing errors when non-GUI clients are also connected * avoid ever using b-frames for text content * silence unhelpful gtk warnings on MacOS * avoid opengl warning with wayland * add extra environment variables to disable any server side scaling * also update mdns records when the session name changes * workaround for older versions of python-cryptography * use 'text' mode for 'geany' (fixes lossy screen updates) * ensure all toolbox windows set a correct and readable window title * remove workaround for unsupported versions of Ubuntu * make it possible to specify the path when saving video streams/frames From sganis at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 13:21:43 2020 From: sganis at gmail.com (San) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 15:21:43 +0300 Subject: [winswitch] Mouse wheel scroll In-Reply-To: <306b546d-bdd4-13dd-c71b-b9b0d81cbac6@nagafix.co.uk> References: <1565b2b0-f323-a1c7-7f8d-115d92618c90@nagafix.co.uk> <306b546d-bdd4-13dd-c71b-b9b0d81cbac6@nagafix.co.uk> Message-ID: I call "client" the python windows xpra program, I don't know how to call it, let me know how it is called. This is what I do: 1. I run the server side in Linux: xpra attach :100 2. I run in Windows 10: xpra attach ssh://user at linux/100 this is what is taking a long time to start, probably security settings in the windows machine. 3. I run applications from a terminal or remote ssh command: export DISPLAY=:100; xterm 4. I run more applications in the same terminal with the same display, the application starts immediately. I keep only one server/client connection per linux machine, this way I get the best performance... Until I get mouse issues. When I said "I run another client..." I meant another server/client display to run another application, the server side is fast (xpra start...), the windows client is slow (xpra attach ...), 20 or more seconds. Regards, San On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 2:02 PM Antoine Martin wrote: > Please re-send and keep CCing the mailing list. > > And I don't really understand the issues you are describing. > For example: > "if I run another client it takes 20 seconds" - running how? where? > > Cheers, > Antoine > > > On 05/08/2020 15:15, San wrote: > > It happens when you open multiple applications using the same > > client/server. > > I am running more than one app for performance, the app starts > > immediately, and if I run another client it takes 20 seconds. I also use > > applications that run other applications, and the same display is used, > > for example, using a debugger. > > I noticed mouse issues in Qt apps. When I run qtcreator or konsole, then > > all other GUI applications in the same display have mouse issues. I was > > able to minimize the problem using qt applications in its own display, > > but this limits the productivity. > > My client is windows 10, Xpra 4. > > My server is rhel 7/8, centos 7/8/, ubuntu 18.04, Xpra 4. > > > > Regards, > > San. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 11:45 AM Antoine Martin via shifter-users > > > > wrote: > > > > On 12/07/2020 15:45, San via shifter-users wrote: > > > Hi Antoine, > > > > > > Using xpra 4.0 python windows client, some application don't have > > mouse > > > wheel detection. In other applications, the mouse wheel works only > > when the > > > focus changes, not always. This does not happen using the html5 > > client. > > > Is there a way to improve mouse wheel detection in the python > client? > > Sure, what you are describing is a bug and reproducible bugs do get > > fixed. > > > > I am unable to reproduce the problem here though, so please provide > > detailed steps, including full OS, versions (at both ends) and > > application setup and as many details as you can from: > > https://xpra.org/trac/wiki/ReportingBugs > > > > Cheers, > > Antoine > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > San. > > _______________________________________________ > > shifter-users mailing list > > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > > > > https://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users > > > > From sganis at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 13:33:25 2020 From: sganis at gmail.com (San) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 15:33:25 +0300 Subject: [winswitch] Windows wheel Message-ID: Hi Antoine, It would be useful to have a pre-build windows python wheel in pypi repo. The msi installer requires admin, which makes it harder to deploy in a corporate environment. The zip is ok, but inconvenient to deploy and maintain in many machines. Would it be possible? Regards, San. From antoine at devloop.org.uk Sun Aug 9 15:16:23 2020 From: antoine at devloop.org.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 21:16:23 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] [ANNOUNCE] Xpra 3.0.11: many issues, one critical Message-ID: <016496d3-8a62-20a8-2993-e9264016addd@devloop.org.uk> Hi, This update to the LTS branch contains a subset of the fixes that were included yesterday as part of the 4.0.2 release. The only real critical issue is the same server crash in the scrolling detection code. Updating is recommended. Cheers, Antoine PS: the MS Windows Python2 builds are currently missing some features because of a bug in the packaging tools. Release notes: * fix encryption option overzealously enforced on all socket types * fix network layer compression errors that cause connections to drop * fix printing errors with some shell character encodings * fix NVENC h264 stream compatibility with HTML5 client * fix windows not getting focused when clicking on title bar (HTML5) * fix suspend / resume errors with tray windows * fix Python2 / GTK2 compatibility regression from 3.0.10 * fix tray geometry errors * fix minimum video scaling not being honoured via heuristics * fix clipboard data sometimes going missing when ownership changes * fix error in main thread verifier (fortunately, never fired) * fix python-pillow packaging conflicts on CentOS / RHEL 7 * fix memory contents of the swscale pixel format object * fix csc_swscale converter getting recycled every time * fix division by zero errors during window cleanup * fix detection of named-pipe creation errors * fix MS Windows shadow server errors with 'bind=auto' * fix MS Windows servers slow to handle connections with mDNS enabled * fix sshfp support on MacOS (was missing dns python module) * fix MacOS errors with some subcommands (ie: 'list') * fix notification widget wrongly stealing input focus * fix support for building with CUDA 11.0 * fix unshrinkable session-info window * fix window resizing errors when non-GUI clients are also connected * avoid ever using b-frames for text content * silence unhelpful gtk warnings on MacOS * avoid opengl warning with wayland * discard invalid clipboard requests early * workaround for older versions of python-cryptography * use 'text' mode for 'geany' (fixes lossy screen updates) * ensure all toolbox windows set a correct and readable window title * convert invalid map events to warnings (no scary crash reports) * also update mdns records when the session name changes * make it possible to specify path used for saving video streams/frames From antoine at nagafix.co.uk Mon Aug 10 07:31:59 2020 From: antoine at nagafix.co.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 13:31:59 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] Windows wheel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 09/08/2020 19:33, San via shifter-users wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > It would be useful to have a pre-build windows python wheel in pypi repo. > The msi installer requires admin, which makes it harder to deploy in a > corporate environment. The zip is ok, but inconvenient to deploy and > maintain in many machines. > Would it be possible? It should be possible, but the amount of work needed is substantial and I really don't have time for this at the moment. Feel free to create a ticket for this feature, just don't expect progress on this anytime soon... sorry. Cheers, Antoine > > Regards, > San. > _______________________________________________ > shifter-users mailing list > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > https://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users > From crl.langlois at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 13:28:15 2020 From: crl.langlois at gmail.com (carl langlois) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:28:15 -0400 Subject: [winswitch] [ANNOUNCE] Xpra 4.0.3: many issues, one critical In-Reply-To: <0b29aee8-adf4-cd38-48f1-8a3ebd0f9f44@devloop.org.uk> References: <0b29aee8-adf4-cd38-48f1-8a3ebd0f9f44@devloop.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Antoine, Is ubuntu 19.10 build coming? Regards Carl On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:53 AM Antoine Martin via shifter-users < shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > This update contains all the fixes that had accumulated since 4.0.2 was > released 2 months ago. > > The only real critical issue is a server crash due to a use-after-free > bug in the scrolling detection code. With older versions, this crash can > be prevented using the environment variable: XPRA_SCROLL_ENCODING=0 > > The other fixes are all over the codebase, with many platform-specific > fixes, systray, window geometry, cosmetic, packaging, etc.. > > Updating is recommended. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > > Release notes: > * fix server crash caused by use after free in scrolling code > * fix encryption option overzealously enforced on all socket types > * fix network layer compression errors that cause connections to drop > * fix printing errors with some shell character encodings > * fix NVENC h264 stream compatibility with HTML5 client > * fix windows not getting focused when clicking on title bar (HTML5) > * fix suspend / resume errors with tray windows > * fix garbled terminal when ssh messages and 'top' client conflict > * fix OpenGL "force" enable option not honoured > * fix tray geometry errors > * fix missing tray with Ubuntu Gnome > * fix socket setup error handler > * fix minimum video scaling not being honoured via heuristics > * fix error in main thread verifier (fortunately, never fired) > * fix archlinux build root stripping > * fix detection of named-pipe creation errors > * fix MS Windows shadow server errors with 'bind=auto' > * fix MS Windows Keymap_info.exe tool > * fix MS Windows servers slow to handle connections with mDNS enabled > * fix MacOS clipboard unnecessarily sending data > * fix clipboard data sometimes going missing when ownership changes > * fix memory contents of the swscale pixel format object > * fix csc_swscale converter getting recycled every time > * fix division by zero errors during window cleanup > * fix rfb connections missing all screen updates > * fix RPM spec file for CentOS 8 > * fix toolbox examples when running under wayland > * fix 'xpra toolbox' subcommand on MacOS > * fix MacOS errors with some subcommands (ie: 'list') > * fix MacOS outdated system version requirements in hidden sub-app > * fix sshfp support on MacOS (was missing dns python module) > * fix notification widget wrongly stealing input focus > * fix support for building with CUDA 11.0 > * fix unshrinkable session-info window > * fix window resizing errors when non-GUI clients are also connected > * avoid ever using b-frames for text content > * silence unhelpful gtk warnings on MacOS > * avoid opengl warning with wayland > * add extra environment variables to disable any server side scaling > * also update mdns records when the session name changes > * workaround for older versions of python-cryptography > * use 'text' mode for 'geany' (fixes lossy screen updates) > * ensure all toolbox windows set a correct and readable window title > * remove workaround for unsupported versions of Ubuntu > * make it possible to specify the path when saving video streams/frames > _______________________________________________ > shifter-users mailing list > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > https://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users > From antoine at devloop.org.uk Mon Aug 10 15:26:43 2020 From: antoine at devloop.org.uk (Antoine Martin) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:26:43 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] [ANNOUNCE] Xpra 4.0.3: many issues, one critical In-Reply-To: References: <0b29aee8-adf4-cd38-48f1-8a3ebd0f9f44@devloop.org.uk> Message-ID: <2ba4a1cb-e1af-7883-3f3d-3dcbd3fa8f90@devloop.org.uk> On 10/08/2020 19:28, carl langlois wrote: > Hi?Antoine, > Is ubuntu 19.10 build coming? Certainly not, Ubuntu 19.10 has reached EOL: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/07/17/ubuntu-19-10-eoan-ermine-end-of-life-reached-on-july-17-2020/ Cheers, Antoine > > Regards > Carl > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:53 AM Antoine Martin via shifter-users > > wrote: > > Hi, > > This update contains all the fixes that had accumulated since 4.0.2 was > released 2 months ago. > > The only real critical issue is a server crash due to a use-after-free > bug in the scrolling detection code. With older versions, this crash can > be prevented using the environment variable: XPRA_SCROLL_ENCODING=0 > > The other fixes are all over the codebase, with many platform-specific > fixes, systray, window geometry, cosmetic, packaging, etc.. > > Updating is recommended. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > > Release notes: > * fix server crash caused by use after free in scrolling code > * fix encryption option overzealously enforced on all socket types > * fix network layer compression errors that cause connections to drop > * fix printing errors with some shell character encodings > * fix NVENC h264 stream compatibility with HTML5 client > * fix windows not getting focused when clicking on title bar (HTML5) > * fix suspend / resume errors with tray windows > * fix garbled terminal when ssh messages and 'top' client conflict > * fix OpenGL "force" enable option not honoured > * fix tray geometry errors > * fix missing tray with Ubuntu Gnome > * fix socket setup error handler > * fix minimum video scaling not being honoured via heuristics > * fix error in main thread verifier (fortunately, never fired) > * fix archlinux build root stripping > * fix detection of named-pipe creation errors > * fix MS Windows shadow server errors with 'bind=auto' > * fix MS Windows Keymap_info.exe tool > * fix MS Windows servers slow to handle connections with mDNS enabled > * fix MacOS clipboard unnecessarily sending data > * fix clipboard data sometimes going missing when ownership changes > * fix memory contents of the swscale pixel format object > * fix csc_swscale converter getting recycled every time > * fix division by zero errors during window cleanup > * fix rfb connections missing all screen updates > * fix RPM spec file for CentOS 8 > * fix toolbox examples when running under wayland > * fix 'xpra toolbox' subcommand on MacOS > * fix MacOS errors with some subcommands (ie: 'list') > * fix MacOS outdated system version requirements in hidden sub-app > * fix sshfp support on MacOS (was missing dns python module) > * fix notification widget wrongly stealing input focus > * fix support for building with CUDA 11.0 > * fix unshrinkable session-info window > * fix window resizing errors when non-GUI clients are also connected > * avoid ever using b-frames for text content > * silence unhelpful gtk warnings on MacOS > * avoid opengl warning with wayland > * add extra environment variables to disable any server side scaling > * also update mdns records when the session name changes > * workaround for older versions of python-cryptography > * use 'text' mode for 'geany' (fixes lossy screen updates) > * ensure all toolbox windows set a correct and readable window title > * remove workaround for unsupported versions of Ubuntu > * make it possible to specify the path when saving video streams/frames > _______________________________________________ > shifter-users mailing list > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > > https://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users > From crl.langlois at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 16:08:35 2020 From: crl.langlois at gmail.com (carl langlois) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:08:35 -0400 Subject: [winswitch] [ANNOUNCE] Xpra 4.0.3: many issues, one critical In-Reply-To: <2ba4a1cb-e1af-7883-3f3d-3dcbd3fa8f90@devloop.org.uk> References: <0b29aee8-adf4-cd38-48f1-8a3ebd0f9f44@devloop.org.uk> <2ba4a1cb-e1af-7883-3f3d-3dcbd3fa8f90@devloop.org.uk> Message-ID: Ho did not see this pass .. that will force me to update ...thanks On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:26 AM Antoine Martin wrote: > On 10/08/2020 19:28, carl langlois wrote: > > Hi Antoine, > > Is ubuntu 19.10 build coming? > Certainly not, Ubuntu 19.10 has reached EOL: > > http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/07/17/ubuntu-19-10-eoan-ermine-end-of-life-reached-on-july-17-2020/ > > Cheers, > Antoine > > > > > > Regards > > Carl > > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:53 AM Antoine Martin via shifter-users > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > This update contains all the fixes that had accumulated since 4.0.2 > was > > released 2 months ago. > > > > The only real critical issue is a server crash due to a > use-after-free > > bug in the scrolling detection code. With older versions, this crash > can > > be prevented using the environment variable: XPRA_SCROLL_ENCODING=0 > > > > The other fixes are all over the codebase, with many > platform-specific > > fixes, systray, window geometry, cosmetic, packaging, etc.. > > > > Updating is recommended. > > > > Cheers, > > Antoine > > > > > > Release notes: > > * fix server crash caused by use after free in scrolling code > > * fix encryption option overzealously enforced on all socket types > > * fix network layer compression errors that cause connections to drop > > * fix printing errors with some shell character encodings > > * fix NVENC h264 stream compatibility with HTML5 client > > * fix windows not getting focused when clicking on title bar (HTML5) > > * fix suspend / resume errors with tray windows > > * fix garbled terminal when ssh messages and 'top' client conflict > > * fix OpenGL "force" enable option not honoured > > * fix tray geometry errors > > * fix missing tray with Ubuntu Gnome > > * fix socket setup error handler > > * fix minimum video scaling not being honoured via heuristics > > * fix error in main thread verifier (fortunately, never fired) > > * fix archlinux build root stripping > > * fix detection of named-pipe creation errors > > * fix MS Windows shadow server errors with 'bind=auto' > > * fix MS Windows Keymap_info.exe tool > > * fix MS Windows servers slow to handle connections with mDNS enabled > > * fix MacOS clipboard unnecessarily sending data > > * fix clipboard data sometimes going missing when ownership changes > > * fix memory contents of the swscale pixel format object > > * fix csc_swscale converter getting recycled every time > > * fix division by zero errors during window cleanup > > * fix rfb connections missing all screen updates > > * fix RPM spec file for CentOS 8 > > * fix toolbox examples when running under wayland > > * fix 'xpra toolbox' subcommand on MacOS > > * fix MacOS errors with some subcommands (ie: 'list') > > * fix MacOS outdated system version requirements in hidden sub-app > > * fix sshfp support on MacOS (was missing dns python module) > > * fix notification widget wrongly stealing input focus > > * fix support for building with CUDA 11.0 > > * fix unshrinkable session-info window > > * fix window resizing errors when non-GUI clients are also connected > > * avoid ever using b-frames for text content > > * silence unhelpful gtk warnings on MacOS > > * avoid opengl warning with wayland > > * add extra environment variables to disable any server side scaling > > * also update mdns records when the session name changes > > * workaround for older versions of python-cryptography > > * use 'text' mode for 'geany' (fixes lossy screen updates) > > * ensure all toolbox windows set a correct and readable window title > > * remove workaround for unsupported versions of Ubuntu > > * make it possible to specify the path when saving video > streams/frames > > _______________________________________________ > > shifter-users mailing list > > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > > > > https://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users > > > > From totaam at xpra.org Mon Aug 24 18:06:20 2020 From: totaam at xpra.org (Antoine Martin) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:06:20 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] project sponsors needed Message-ID: Hi, The project's primary sponsor has unexpectedly withdrawn its funding for 2020, which means that I will no longer be able to work full time on xpra unless one or more new sponsors can step in. I hope that there are enough corporate users out there to make the project sustainable. If you have any ideas or suggestions, please do get in touch. Cheers, Antoine From florian.feldhaus at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 22:49:42 2020 From: florian.feldhaus at gmail.com (Florian Feldhaus) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 23:49:42 +0200 Subject: [winswitch] project sponsors needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Antoine, that?s very unfortunate and I?d be glad to help if I can. - Can you explain a bit more who the current sponsor was (or did he ask to not be disclosed?)? - Can you detail for what amount of funding you are looking? - Can you detail how private/corporate funding can be carried out? Ideally you/we should develop a vision for XPRA and how/what funding should achieve. Then it would also be good to give possible sponsors a prominent place to be visible (e.g. on the XPRA website). For the short term, it may be a good idea to start a fundraising campaign to cover funding for a specific project or duration. Lastly, I would be glad to privately donate with the specific goal of the website being updated to a modern, clean and easy to read website layout and content. Any idea what amount of time / funding you would require for that? Cheers Florian > Am 24.08.2020 | KW 35 um 19:06 schrieb Antoine Martin via shifter-users : > > Hi, > > The project's primary sponsor has unexpectedly withdrawn its funding for > 2020, which means that I will no longer be able to work full time on > xpra unless one or more new sponsors can step in. > > I hope that there are enough corporate users out there to make the > project sustainable. > > If you have any ideas or suggestions, please do get in touch. > > Cheers, > Antoine > _______________________________________________ > shifter-users mailing list > shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk > https://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users From totaam at xpra.org Sun Aug 30 08:25:52 2020 From: totaam at xpra.org (Antoine Martin) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:25:52 +0700 Subject: [winswitch] project sponsors needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79552add-ce9b-bfe0-5efb-4544007c268f@xpra.org> On 29/08/2020 04:49, Florian Feldhaus wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > that?s very unfortunate and I?d be glad to help if I can. > > - Can you explain a bit more who the current sponsor was (or did he ask to not be disclosed?)? Sorry, I am tied by an NDA. What I can say is that they are using xpra to deliver a specific application for a large number of end users using a modified HTML5 client for tighter integration. > - Can you detail for what amount of funding you are looking? That's quite difficult to say in absolute terms as this would normally depend on the amount of work required in exchange. But somewhere in the region of 25,000 EUR per annum would keep the project running. > - Can you detail how private/corporate funding can be carried out? Sure, thanks for asking, I should have done that earlier. We have setup a company structure 7 years ago for providing development and support services around xpra. I never publicized it before because there was more than enough work to do and I did not want to jeopardize the service level provided to existing customers. > Ideally you/we should develop a vision for XPRA and how/what funding should achieve. That's an interesting idea. The truth is that around half of the developments were requested by customers (ie: OpenGL, h264, audio, etc), and the other half were just things that I experimented with (html5 client, shadow mode, high bit depth, MacOS, etc) I'm not saying that the project is rudderless or that that I don't have a clear vision, just that the general direction tends to be guided by the unsung heroes: those who create tickets, follow up and do all the testing. > Then it would also be good to give possible sponsors a prominent place to be visible (e.g. on the XPRA website). Sure, if that's what they wish. So far it has not been the case. > For the short term, it may be a good idea to start a fundraising campaign to cover funding for a specific project or duration. I obviously would rather secure funding with a longer term view, but that would be a start. > Lastly, I would be glad to privately donate with the specific goal of the website being updated to a modern, clean and easy to read website layout and content. Thanks for the offer - I'm still hoping that corporate sponsors can foot the bill. > Any idea what amount of time / funding you would require for that? That's something I would have to delegate to someone more proficient in CSS and HTML. I'll look into it and get back to you. Cheers, Antoine > Cheers > Florian > >> Am 24.08.2020 | KW 35 um 19:06 schrieb Antoine Martin via shifter-users : >> >> Hi, >> >> The project's primary sponsor has unexpectedly withdrawn its funding for >> 2020, which means that I will no longer be able to work full time on >> xpra unless one or more new sponsors can step in. >> >> I hope that there are enough corporate users out there to make the >> project sustainable. >> >> If you have any ideas or suggestions, please do get in touch. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine >> _______________________________________________ >> shifter-users mailing list >> shifter-users at lists.devloop.org.uk >> https://lists.devloop.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/shifter-users